And I hope and pray he never stops teaching. wrote about Mike Stroud in September 2017, Accessing the Fullness of the Atonement of Jesus Christ through Personal Revelation.. Dogma / Culture / Doctrine. And as the author rightly conceded he never actually used the term astral projection. Thanks for this. Robert Alan Goldberg, L. Jackson Newell, Linda King Newell. This may all blow over soon which would be nice. 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It only takes a little time to see the fruits of their labors, to recognize they are indeed proud, vain and foolish. including by not limited to: legal, investing, financial, medical, accounting, or any other professional advice. Michael Rush currently lives in Franklin, TN; in the past Michael has also lived in Draper UT. In that last days we are told that spiritual manifestations will increase. With this we can rid ourselves of all fear and ridicule of others and have confidence that we are taking the right path. I also find it interesting that they are so condemning of teachers in the online community who they feel have inappropriately and without authority called themselves to teach. Specifically: an institution who makes such extraordinary claims about personal revelations would then regulate such claims.. While I still dont know the specific basis of the determination of apostacy, your comment provides some context in addition to those few podcasts, Mary Anns article, and Bellamys comments. How can we discuss or share experiences if we are afraid that we will be labeled as extreme or potentially get excommunicated for seeking after what Joseph Smith taught we should all be seeking after and that is our second comforter experience. Perhaps the authors research on this topic was poor, but this quote has come up on social media a number of times and Im a bit surprised the author has not seen it. Authors reaction: For this, I humbly apologize and ask for your forgiveness. by Lemarque August 20th, 2021, 9:06 pm, Post That is the only dominion that can bring about eternal life. One time I asked the Lord, Lord am I traveling at night? .And he said, yes. And I said, I dont know it. He said, I know. That was it. Also I have pondered a lot on the fact that Lehi was not a prophet in his day but a regular man that spent some time pondering the teachings of prophets and had a vision and shared that vision. Since then there have been tens of thousands of articles, blogs, posts, and books that have been written based upon Michaels original work.In addition to A Remnant Shall Return, Michael has written two other ground breaking books Daniel 11 and Revelation The Vision of John the Divine. Michael B Rush; All are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. What the? Fear of deception is deception. How can I do that in a paragraph and have it mean something? The accusations continued and got worse more and more people were getting tried and executed as witches. This is the bottom slider area. So if anyone believes that God called Mike Stroud by personal revelation and he was ordained by angels from the city of Enoch then I have a condo on the Moon to sale you. More frequently, I have witnessed a few somewhat mentally fragile or mentally ill members take nose dives into fanaticism because of teachings in General Conference or from a quote in a lesson manual. So instead of making real spiritual progress, they substitute it by comparing themselves to others or worse, by putting others down. He inspired me to read the apocrypha of Esdras and I think the eagle prophecy is about the USA and is right on track. Moroni 7 :35-37 It is the doctrine that converts. These are the scriptures of the common man not of the elite. Without the illusion of separation, those whove had greater knowledge and gifts bestowed would not little need to hide them. We cannot develop faith if we have fear. (Myers) Rush on December 22, 1981 in Dallas County, Texas and they separated on July 5, 1984. My response: "When You Wish Upon A Star: The Musical Legacy of Utah Composer Leigh Harline. But I didnt feel a particularly good spirit while reading their doc. If God offers gifts, are we supposed to disrespect the gift by refusing to seek after it?. It started off as a lark but after getting a taste of the attention and the power it gave them, they developed an appetite for it. I really enjoyed the first piece you did on Stroud. Instead of counseling God as to why someone else is blessed, theyd only ask what the next step is on their own path to perfection and if the blessings that God has given others might be off assistance to them. How are we doing? We have heard only a few of Mikes podcasts encouraging personal revelation. A member in Cardston observed, She testified of how real and true the concept of modern revelation from the Lord to His prophet really is.. That means if you make a purchase from a link you click on, I might receive a small commission. would then regulate such claims. You devote a lot of time and are very thorough in your work. And yet we seem to think that this whole activity in its entirety is somehow glorifying Him. But he never told him not to take heed of deception. Rush. My heart hurts for them. So what did Brother Stroud teach? ' (Podcast 012: 1 Nephi 12, abt 47:25) This is a perfect example of why people have mixed feelings about Lamanite identification. They will range over the earth, visit distant friends, and, for aught we know, the planets, and accomplish great feats; do that which will enhance our happiness, increase to us every enjoyment of life, and prepare us for celestial glory; but when we wake in the morning, it is all gone from us; we have forgotten it.. And then its an ability theyd likely be keeping to themselves. Im just saying this is how Ive heard him. Its how this world works. It should also be noted that opposition quickly mobilized when Stroud began his podcasts last November. This is the current definition of apostasy per the handbook: But without love you wont probably care, and if you care, it is because of love. In modern times we are seeing Kimberly and her associates making the same claim. And now the message of this type of excommunication is that, not only are the noble and great ones given the authority to lead (hopefully to SERVE), but they are the only ones who should reach out and take hold of the awesome promises that are expounded in the scriptures. If he gives his opinion he always clearly, clearly states it is his opinion only and is to be taken into consideration only if guided to by the spirit. MR . During his interview with DeFede,. Many forums consider them to be problem members and some have removed them altogether. WATCH: Kamala Harris and Michael B. Jordan Open NBA All Star Game By Encouraging Vaccinations and Praising HBCUs Gov. Obey the eternal Lord and Savior of all the world? That broadens my understanding. What Does Eh Mean In Texting, Did you do this 4 times a day for 4 years? Joel Rush, Marla Rush, Brandi Rush, Reanna Creech and Natalie Castleberry, and many others are family members and associates of Michael. False Doctrine right and left. Yes, he said almost. And he always states if he is giving his own opinion about something and it is only to be considered by the guidance of the spirit. The iconic comedian is reprising his role as Prince Akeem in the highly anticipated follow-up, Coming 2 America, however, there was once an idea for a sequel to focus on Michael B. Jordan instead. (Discovery Channel) 25 Feb 2021. Im with you 110%. The discovery of the feathers as US Presidents has profound implications for our near future and the Presidency of Donald J Trump. (Myers) Rush on December 22, 1981 in Texas and they later separated on July 5, 1984 in Texas . This man is willfully ignorant and a deceiver. Despite his constantly bearing testimony of the brethren he read the B of M like Nibley did ie condemning the Gentiles and making the case ( which most agree with) that we LDS are the Gentiles discussed in the B of M. In his podcast on the definition of Gentiles he discusses 2 Nephi 28 and effectively says that when Nephi sees that they have ALL gone out of their way ( 2 Nephi 28;11) or Moromon 8;380 why have ye polluted the holy church of god he is talking about us in our day. Oct. 18, 2018 - Michael Rush's presentation at Mountain America Expo Center in Sandy, UT re: the return of the lost 10 tribes of Israel. I think they all probably went to one too many Lynn Bryson firesides when they were younger. Where they went? I do not seek GIFTS. The Deseret Weekly. If we just use good judgement we will already be able to expose the lies. Symphony Health Acquisition, I look forward to the day when were all living in peace and harmony, of one heart and one mind. Rush Limbaugh reached millions of listeners via his golden microphone with his shows airing in small stations out in rural America that even Fox News couldnt reach. I say this because in my long life Ive heard a few claim Pres. Brother Skys comments are not without a sound of legitimacy, however, perhaps a couple more points might add to the discussion. Interestingly, I just found out that Julie Rowe, another podcaster and author, was excommunicated in April. Sorry, Bellamy, you said you know Mike. The items in the verse refer to tools, the line is a snap line to get things straight. My response:. What would you people say to someone who, years ago, received very specific revelation on how to cure a vaccine injured child (think "Alma Smith" type revelation - if you don't know the Alma Smith story, look it up)? Any dominion I personally might exercise is a dominion of service as illustrated by Christs ministry and so eloquently by the washing of the feet. I have also pondered a time or two about that fact that when Christ read the scriptures that had been kept by the Nephites he asked why Samuel the Lamanites warnings had not been kept as scripture..So that tells me that Samuel the Lamanite was NOT considered to have been given the gift of prophecy, or he was not a respected source of information when he was alive. Assure eternal reign, To me his message can be summed up in BRM additional verse to Come Listen to a Prophets Voice. And trust and hope wanes., Indeed they do, it does. by h_p August 20th, 2021, 7:53 am, Post It is what it is, and nobody here knows what it is, but only what it seems to be, with the missing parts filled in by each person that cares to imagine the missing parts. Alas, it is so widespread that to fill the roles in a typical ward one might have to dig into the barrel and choose some people that ought not to be chosen. If youre going to make extraordinary truth claims and claims about revelations, visions, etc., youre going to look a bit foolish when you say something like, oh, well these people all had visions and those were real, but these people having visions are making false claims or deceived by Satan or whatever. Alma 12 clearly teaches to seek after knowledge, and to him who does not harden his heart, will be given the mysteries of God. Michael B. But thats not how the author and the other spooks see it. Mike is addressing this subject which the author refutes as not based on scripture or the words of prophets. To me, that is the difference. That is what made Mike Stroud one of the most dangerous False teachers in the church. I would like to invite all who have served missions in Spanish-speaking or Portuguese-speaking countries, if you can, to refer these podcast lessons to those men and women that you worked with in the mission field and put them in touch with the Spanish translation of these Book of Mormon lessons and well soon have the first lessons in Portuguese. (Podcast 012: 1 Nephi 12, abt 20:19), The reason I suspect this was an issue is that in Strouds podcast where he announces his excommunication, he notes that he is only continuing the series at the encouragement of his children. I have a doubt I do anything out of love, I do things because I care. When his grandparents cut the pie open, it was filled with black Mormon crickets. Dont be afraid of being deceived. Most in the church know little about this topic and Im not too thrilled about even commenting on it but the author did accuse of it so a response is warranted. University of Utah Press, 2018. Proposition 8 involvement was conservative. To what end? Astral travel during sleep is a bit different than doing in consciously obviously because we dont know were doing it. But that is my own evolution, and is in no way precipitated by anyone speaking from a voice of authority. For a Zion people this is not a problem but it is a common problem of society and because the church is still in a pre-Zion state, its a problem in the church as well. Visions of Glory: One Man's Astonishing Account of the Last Days [John Pontius] on Amazon.com. Guilt. But if they had really followed Mikes instruction, they would have discerned that it wasnt for them and never would have had to go crying to Kimberly in the first place. Till thine elections sure, Listen to Mikes podcasts for your self. Several people put together an open letter (a Google doc) citing new questionable teachings from his conference address onward. These are our examples. As Rush said, at the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, there are no degrees because the learning never stops. Michael B. Abramson is a practicing attorney. While it is true that we teach of visions and angelic ministrants and such we also teach of the adversarys counterfeits as well and the imperative of learning to discern between deception and Godly instruction. Michael is the the author of three books, A Remnant Shall Return, Daniel 11, and Revelation - The Vision of John the Divine. First of all, there is no official church guidelines or position on astral projection. I have heard good things about a Course in Miracles and I have the book. Michael B. Fund Franchise michael b rush excommunicated. I have enjoyed Mike Strouds podcast immensely. Michael and Amy began their career in the San Francisco Bay Area working for Ernst & Young, and started raising their family of six children. Further, I have never heard him claim anything destructive to the soul, the church, or its leaders. Lived In Cheraw SC, Brooklyn NY. He is also an adviser with the National Diversity Coalition for Trump. who have extraordinary experiences with God.. In my experience it seems the overarching need/message is one of moral superiority and a need to achieve or get a manifestation of some sort that ultimately seems to serve to prove ones elect-ness as if that were the purpose of life. The concept of personal revelation has been a source of strength and tension since the beginning of the Church. Bellamy, one of the reasons that I said maybe not for the reason you think in the headline is because I dont think he was excommunicated merely for teaching about calling and election, second comforter, or seeing angels. They are trained to be smarter, tactically superior and technologically advantaged - Melbourne's answer for a cutting edge trend in policing worldwide. BofM is true and thats good enough for to move forward. They mean well so it doesnt occur to them that odd and peculiar can be pretty damn good. But because of our fallen state, it can create the illusion that it does. Oh, I knew the feeling, but I did not know what feeling goes with the word, and I did not know the word for the feeling, and I struggled for years not knowing how to obey the Two Great Commandments since each requires a knowledge of what is love (as meant in the scripture anyway; the word has many human meanings). Where are they today? And then Christ goes and talks about all being one , and that eternal life is to KNOW HIM in John 17. Disclaimer: Nothing on this site gives specific professional advice. The hysteria surrounding the Salem witch trials was not brought about so much by church leaders at that time. Bro. No one in the church called them to write up that online doc. Im not sure I have desires with regard to what God may offer. The Gospel topics essays are a mixed bag. However, that was one very spiritual experience he shared with us that has stuck with me through life. We have information on 910-692-9945, including Michael B Rush's name, address, and background checks with criminal records. So what exactly is the fruit of Mike Strouds podcasts? Being able to discern good-weird from bad-weird isnt particularly easy or obvious. This is not an official site of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. When I read about stuff like this and considering the alt-right elders quorum lesson I just sat throughrailing on the liberal media, pro-choicerers, and advocating shunning your out-of-the-close relativesand then you look at the research on millennials from Jana Reiss and what appears to me as the obvious needed direction moving towards more moderate/liberal views on these issues, it seems like some sort of schism is unavoidable. 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