It was a clever nod to the pilot, in which Mike had posited that the latest Meyer lemon would be overshadowed by even bigger news: What if Tom Hanks dies?. "It was really emotional because it was the last episode and that was us kind of saying goodbye even though we had other stuff to shoot," he says. Warning: This story contains plot details from Sundays series finale of Veep. Dan 2.0 in a different way. Because the others do, and she doesnt. I think shes that kind of boss that would give you things to do, and before you even had 30 seconds to do it, shed be asking where it was, and then she would take it back from you and do it herself. Yeah. (Based on @Walldo tweet) pic.twitter.com/aZpKydSbkn, Jesse McLaren (@McJesse) March 31, 2017, ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: We all know attempts at sarcasm dont always translate well in print. Another sleazy scumbag operator a la Dan. "His devotion to her was so evident in those final moments, with the lipstick," she says. Throughout their 12-year marriage, Andrew was always . ", Hale had dropped a hint about the finale before it aired, "You reap what you sow," and he seems to apply that to Gary almost as much as Selina. Then when shes left alone, she starts to tear up as if shes taking stock of what she has besides this job, and the answer is nothing. Yes, maybe not specifically worrying about wheres Catherine and not specifically worrying about wheres Kent [Gary Cole], but all of that hits her. She had given into that much of her selfishness and narcissism. When did you decide to play that devastating card, and how did you decide that she would stoop that low?I refer to it in the [writers] room a little bit as the Fredo moment [from The Godfather Part II], for many reasons, but also just the lovingness and the loyalty of poor Fredo and, of course, of poor Gary Originally that was not happening. Shell carry forth, but that moment in the White House is the punishment. "I need you to do something for me," she said, though he obliviously was more concerned with getting that chia seed out of her teeth. You took over showrunning duties when Armando left after season 4 and kept up the Emmy-winning tradition. Jonah was going to stall and take too long, and along with the demands, in that stall, Tom James [Hugh Laurie] was going to make his move and swoop in and get the nomination, then win the presidency. : r/Veep - Reddit; 2.Veep Post Mortem: Tony Hale Talks Gary and Selina's Epic - TVLine She was such a coward that she didnt want to go to someone and say, I dont want to date you anymore. And she had me do it. Because Gary is so in tune with her emotions, he might have picked up on something in her tone or behind or eyes, and this distracted him so he didnt. "You don't have to worry," he said, pleasantly startled. What is left of Gary 24 years later?Look, at some point, there is a sickness in the character. Its been a well-received season of change for HBOs Veep, but as we found out when we posed showrunner David Mandels 13 questions to fans, there are two things you can count on remaining the same: viewers love-hate relationship with Jonah and their shared desire to know what Gary did for Selina on Labor Day. How hard was that pill to swallow? It was kinda great., TRUMP MOMENT as @VeepHBO closing credit scene is ???????????? Every single night he does it just to be prepared for the next day. I agree [about Danny Chung] youd get very sick of hearing about a tank and stuff. So that's what brought him back to that funeral because everybody else could care less about her, but he had this kernel of authentic love for her. I dont know. Will looks like he has PTSD sometimes. She later explained to . Captured and kidnapped by some sort of terrorist act and put in a room with Sarin gas, like Peter Quinn. His personal pick for a crossover? Thats why we have climate deniers, we have anti-vaxxers, and we are seeing what those things wrought. What high or low crime was Jonah impeached for? Hell hath no fury like a perpetually under-appreciated, eternally . We talked a lot about a more standard ending, if you will, where Selina is right about to become president and then she was going to do some of the same things offer Jonah the Vice Presidency. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from Coffy to Jackie Brown. Just because Id like to see how the two will function without each other and see who suffers the most. I love the idea that he solved it with three states. Its not what comes later when shes alone but its that moment of, its like a chill runs down your body because you get the sense that a little chill is running down her. And then [theres] the ultimate decision to give it to Jonah, which in some ways is almost as bad as the Gary thing, and Im putting it, like, a hair less. Labor Day vs. May Day . But then when he gets out and she dies, his entire identity was based in her, so her dying meant that a portion of him was also dying. But when she referred to him as a middle-aged man who gets me my wipes, he had to actually face what she thought of him. I think there was a mix of, he had blinders to it but there were also sometimes I dont think he necessarily understood it. I think in some ways she found herself a sort of Dan-esque guy. I wanted to come out and remind people just what Veep was. But when hes at that funeral and maybe this a little, I dont want to say redemption for Andrew he did love her. What Selina did was the biggest gift to Gary, because thats the only thing that would have broken the cycle for him, Hale now tells The Hollywood Reporter. TVLINE | I also read it as her being reminded of the lengths to which Garywould go to to protect her, kind of like, Oh, right. And so Selina Joker-ed her way out of brokered convention and wound up back in the Oval Office, but at great cost: She was now the most powerful person in the world, but also the loneliest, having sold out those nearest to her. And as we started doing this season, we werent trying to be greedy, but I wrote down this idea that wed end up back in the Oval and Sue would be there. It was fun to be able to say that kind of stuff, and then just kind of retract and find ways to come off of it. But I kinda like the idea of finding out more, so well see what happens., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS/MANDEL RESPONDS: We read him a list of popular theories. But now thats its coming back a second time, its this realization of, its almost like, We tried. But what went through her head was, We had tried earlier in the day off the Muslim math thing. When he would give her what she needed. Oura Ring 3 vs. Tragic. "I remember I was outside the room watching the monitor, hearing her go 'Gary' and I couldn't move. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from Coffy to Jackie Brown. She has a new Amy [in Michelle, played by Rhea Seehorn]. I was like, 'Oh! No votes? "I wanted to say a word about sacrifice," she said. And please confirm that it was as vice president, not president.He was definitely impeached as vice president. She doesn't have empathy for others. And then I told him that there was a callback to the pilot. But the way she talks about the position in the finale is so warped its declawing, its demeaning, its worse than death that she sounds victimized for having to serve in that position, which is the second most powerful personOne of the many reasons we called the final episode Veep is that who is going to be her vice president is such a giant piece of her salvation. We, I dont want to say padded, because my guess is he could end up with more. Except the desired outcome would be the opposite: wed be holding our breath to see if Jonah would escape danger but wed be super upset and disappointed each time he survived, MANDEL RESPONDS: Thatd be very funny, he says of having a Carrie-type crier. she concluded. Its so fun to work with somebody whos on the same page. (Laughs.) So again, it wouldve been Jonahs fault that she didnt get what she wanted. Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Selina Meyer. I mean, its all new people. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: So 50 percent had no idea the former TNT series existed. So for him to lay the lipstick on the casket? But yeah, I think this has been a three-year journey of her becoming a somewhat more complete person. He is so invested in her, so I knew that going that high in joy would hopefully help that devastation of him being taken away by the FBI. ], Obviously, Kevin is just wonderful and devastating and so vulnerable and so caring. Dan (Reid Scott) is selling real estate in Laguna Beach! There were a couple of comedies: Atlanta was in there, I think Better Call Saul had a very funny clip, because theyre a comedy-drama kind of a thing. Entertainment Weekly may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Shell push it down because shes Selina, but I think in every moment of silence, that will be back in her life forever. Thats the byproduct. How many takes did you get to nail Gary and Selinas final scenes, first their goodbye and then their final glance once the FBI comes? Its tiny as f, its miniscule as all hell, but its just perfect, seeing this just I dont know, revulsion. What conversations, if any, did you have with him about the ending and wrapping up the show?We saw each other at the premiere in New York. A few suggested either watching an interview online in which Anna says it herself (see above), or simply just calling her Anna to be safe. If she had asked the question, do you think would Gary have sacrificed himself? Andrew owns a large company, which is revealed to have funded both sides of the 2012 presidential election. She wants him to pick up coffee or go get those shoes that she bought. So its like there was an undercurrent of knowing that it was the end and us doing a scene that was the end between us that compounded the emotion. Do you haveconfidence in new showrunner, [Curb Your Enthusiasm EP]David Mandel? He wouldve been her type. She adds with a laugh: "So, tough s---. In spite of everything she did, you get the sense that if that coffin opened up and she said, Get me a tea, he kind of would. But at the end of the day, she is the winner. Jonah then ascends to the presidency Considering Chung made all the cabinet appointments, there are no new spots for Jonah to offer Selina, except for one newly vacant spot: the vice presidency. She just got to a place in her life where she couldnt help herself. Veep deliberately feints, more than once, toward real, textual tragedySelina's horrible, accidental execution of her ex-husband, Andrew ( David Pasquesi ), or Amy's suspicion that . He certainly didnt deserve to go to jail, but what responsibility, if any, does he own for participating in this horrifically lopsided relationship?Boy, thats an interesting question. "And there's nothing anyone can do to stop me from standing and walking for my country!" From Austin Butler and Cate Blanchett to a potential Best Supporting Actress toss-up, see who EW thinks will win at the 2023 Oscars. Andrew met Selina Eaton in 1988 at the beginning of her senior year at Smith. That became the jumping-off point, and she had done so many terrible things, that party platform issues were just never going to be enough. Forty percent said they were a Rizzoli (Angie Harmons blue-collar detective character) and 10 percent said they were an Isles (Sasha Alexanders more polished medical examiner). This master-and-servant dynamic gone wrong, between the vainglorious VP-turned-POTUS-turned-legacy chaser-turned-POTUS (Julia Louis-Dreyfus) and the bootlicking bag man/dumped-upon doormat who kept her secrets and prepared her snacks (Hale), served as the beating black heart of HBO's shrewd, crude political comedy for seven seasons. He got what we were going for at the end there, and was proud to be a part of it, and it just put a huge smile on Julias and my faces. He wasnt there to make some deal. Theres a wonderful moment, Anna just sells the hell out of it. This cast is so close, they were all together in Baltimore [where the show was filmed for the first four seasons] for so long. So we were actually in the sound mix of the episode when we were told this. Selina Meyer and Gary Walsh, as dysfunctional as their relationship may be, are a beloved duo onVeep. The joke of Tom Hankss death bumping news of hers is the ultimate karmic payback and a wonderful, wicked callback to the pilot. Ill be vice president! almost reluctantly is one of my absolute favorite jokes, and I think in some weird way very true to the spirit of all seven seasons of the original show, a show about the vice presidency. And you start to realize shes just never really had a father figure. That, to me, is the absolute saddest picture of her legacy. But in those quiet recesses, that is when it will just constantly hit her of how its not okay. Can you fill in the gaps. In one way, their bond can never be broken, and he will always have some measure of twisted devotion to her. Then we see Gary at the funeral 24 years later. '", The scene, which illustrated the karmic punishment that had been meted out to her, served as an appropriate cautionary ending to a show steeped in corrosive cynicism and selfishness, according to Hale. The idea of winning for both the original and then the sequel, thats cool. I think you try to stay in Garys world. Lets also go one step further: at the end there, she could have left any time, but unfortunately, theres a sickness to her as well, that she doesnt have to take that chief of staff job. Its time to make everybody pay. So, I guess because of his simplicity, dare I say, I dont blame him quite as much as I blame her. When we learn that Richard Splett [Sam Richardson] becomes a historic two-term president, it feels like some reward and justice in this cold, cruel world. On Sunday night, the series finale of HBO's Emmy-winning, cynical-to-its-corroded-core comedy answered: To hell. We started talking about a very sort of Selina Meyer-esque ending, which is that she gets bumped off the front page by a better funeral. Mike McLintock anchored coverage of Selina's funeral as her coffin entered the vagina-shaped crypt. It might be revealed down the road. Among the who's-who . And in some ways, perhaps even some of the postpartum depression was ultimately all really connected to Selina To me, the day they walked out of that convention, in the cab to the airport, she probably surprised Marjorie by laughing at something. Was the attitude in the writers room this season one of The cruelty, ignorance and hypocrisy in this world needs an equal and opposite force more than ever, or was it Its our last season, so lets adopt a scorched Earth policy, or maybe a bit of both?I go for a little bit of both, and Ill throw a third thing in. I mean, it wasnt a healthy relationship and he was certainly complicit in it in the sense of it takes two to tango. As he prepared to personally sing her praises with his "own heartfelt eulogy" of the "underrated" president, he received breaking news in his earpiece that beloved actor Tom Hanks had passed at the age of 88. The international opinion on Trump is quite clear, so I think they are fascinated by [whats happening], and horrified, much like a lot of Americans. Gary Anton Walsh (born August 1978) is an American political aide who served as the special assistant and personal aide, commonly referred to as body man, to President Selina Meyer for two decades. Yes, he enjoyed seeing people turn real Trump team gaffes into Veep closing-credits sequences like the executive order one above or Sean Spicers infamous Hitler remarks below. Some part of me almost wondered that had she asked him, he actually might have been willing to do it. Im sad because I love my friends and when you spend eight years with people, you really become a family. My guess is that I think he was probably in prison for about 20 years. Votes were also cast for notoriously incompetent Mike, groper Teddy, vicious Roger Furlong, war hero Danny Chung, stoic Kent (Hard to read and even harder to please, Jamie insisted), and puppet master Ben. All Rights Reserved. "Never mind, forget I ever said anything. [Mandel took over showrunning duties from creator Armando Iannucci after season 4.] The betrayal and flash-forward outcome solidified Selinas monstrous transformation and yet, if you ask Hale, he has a surprising take on how it all played out. But at the moment where perhaps it most counted, she does have these regrets. I still love it so much. So thats what she did, which is not exactly healthy. And even though I looked at all the takes, Julia was the one who said, No, no, no take a look, I think I reacted when I hear the name. And I went back and I saw what she did, what she was talking about, so its intercut much more so that he says Maam, Gary and then youre back on her so it plays on her face, the realization moment. Hed love to be a food critic. But when [the abuse] comes from everyone else,he does see it. The big one that we were on for probably a lot of the discussion was that never-before-seen President Hughes would die on the same day, and that would sort of steal her thunder. I dont think Selina saw it as a gift, but in terms of his life, it was probably the biggest gift. ", And Veep truly came full circle in the final seconds of the episode, as CBS Evening News anchor (!) It dawned that that would be the price, that thats the human sacrifice, and we worked backward from that. Thats actually kind of the perfect paring, if shes the ventriloquist and Im the dummy. It was probably the most heartwarming Youre my hatchet man line ever delivered.Weve played a lot with the notion of this horrific dad she had, over the past three years. Even though I think Selina is a little bit anti-Semitic, shes not nearly as anti-Semitic as the entire Trump administration, so its hard to compete.. Yeah. ", Filming that pivotal sell-out scenein which Selina knows that the end is nigh for Garywas challenging for both actors, given the weight of the moment (and the fact that this would be the last scene in which Louis-Dreyfus and Hale shared the screen). The gut-punch of a betrayal played out in the present-day ending of Sundays series finale, which then jumped ahead 24 years to former President Meyers funeral. The Federal Labor Day Holiday Is Created. "Because she's in the casket. I do think Gary is a much better version of himself during that funeral, definitely. They were very lovely, we miss them, and my mom loved the show, he says. As a whole, I was really satisfied by where they were taking the end because Selina was so awful, so bitter, so narcissistic and so selfish without any empathy. Yes, unwitting Gary wound up serving as the fall guy for her scandals involving Chinese government election interference and the corrupted Meyer Fund. Andrew Meyer is the ex-husband of former President Selina Meyer and the father of Catherine Meyer. Ninety-nine percent of fans said no, with most lamenting the would-be loss of the Season 5 episode C***gate and the series signature insults. Hes got huge rose-colored glasses on. What is her legacy? ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Yes, 85 percent of people said theyd like to know what Gary and Selina were referring to in Season 4s legendary East Wing blowup when he yelled, Can you find somebody else who did what I did? and she responded, You mean on Labor Day? About half of those people, without provocation, also added that theyd like to know what was in the trash bag that Selina made Gary retrieve in Season 2s Shutdown. The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained., MANDEL RESPONDS: I didnt know the trash bag was on their minds quite as much, but thats fascinating. It was nice to be able to let loose. Not Julia, but Selina is like, 'I'm not going to look like s---!' Not really, he says. On Sunday night, the series finale of HBOs Emmy-winning, cynical-to-its-corroded-core comedy answered: To hell. MANDEL RESPONDS: It doesnt surprise me that people like Mother. I love Mother. I guess it surprises me that it was such a clear winner, just because its that typical sort of thing its hard to pick among your children, as they say. If I dont go crazily in, then it invalidates the previous decision. She was all in. Not sensing any approaching doom, Gary asked if she wanted coffee from across the street and pointed out that it was a chia seed in her mouth. Regret is a part of it, but at the same time, though, I think almost more horror. How did you arrive at that outcome? "I'm just gonna simply say too easy. I dont know quite what hes doing there, but its kind of wonderful., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Mandel admits some of his questions werent necessarily designed to be answered. Its meant to be. I enjoyed it just because of the fun and the silliness of all the different time periods and all that kind of stuff, the chance to do sort of the Gilbert and Sullivan musical, and that kind of a thing.. It was so satisfying on so many levels. You can read that gesture as closure, but not full forgiveness. We definitely liked the idea of what he went into was interesting. And its not easy for her, but its not as hard as it probably should be, either. And that was the beginning of her real healing. Shell never allow herself to sit in those feelings, but she does feel them and then stuffs them down and turns it back on. I remember when she asked me early on in the series to break up with her boyfriend for her, because she didnt want to face it. says the actress. So I like that thats the way he heard it. What hes really saying to her there is just some version of, You know how to be horrible enough to do what needs to be done. Hes sort of saying, Go on out there little girl and unleash the horrors. This isn't the first time the story of Selena's epic rise to fameand untimely demise in 1995have been put to film. Richard (Sam Richardson) became a two-term POTUS! And there's no coming back. "I knew about it for quite some time, and it felt absolutely perfect," Louis-Dreyfus tells EW of the story turn. By 1894, 23 more states had adopted the holiday, and on June 28, 1894 . He was the one who believed the most in the purity and potential of government. I mean, she doesn't dare go down that path of regret. Hell hath no fury like a perpetually under-appreciated, eternally abused and currently . Tony said that he was actually glad that it happened, that Gary needed to be awakened from this destructive co-dependent relationship. The MCUs tiniest heroes are kicking off its biggest phase yet, setting up the next several years of storytelling. Lets start by cutting to an interview with Veep showrunner and finale writer/director David Mandel, who takes you inside Selinas savage send-off. Veep. Selina snaps out of that moment of sad solitude when the Israeli Prime Minister calls, and shes charmingly back to doing what she does best. this link is to an external site that may or may not meet accessibility guidelines. And theres no coming back. Veep: Inside the final days of TVs smartest and filthiest comedy Veep stars choose their all-time favorite scenes Watch Veep star Timothy Simons read unaired Jonah insults. Louis-Dreyfus uses the words "pretty intense" to describe that moment. 2023 Oscars predictions: See who will win at the 95th Academy Awards. Desperate to find a fall guy for her scandals with the Meyer Fund and illicit ties to the Chinese government (whom she actively courted to meddle in the election), Selina chose the best man(child) for the job: poor, naive Gary. The joke I always say is, we would sit around trying to think of the stupidest, dumbest thing a president or his staff could do and they kind of outdo that on a daily basis.. In the United States, Peter J. McGuire, a union leader who had founded the United Brotherhood of Carpenters in 1881, is generally given credit for the idea of Labor Day. And then when she was writing the book with Mike, a little bit more about her father. With Gary, the codependency and dysfunction and obsession with her is going so fast that he couldnt stop himself. As for the others: I understand the Jonah one, but I think theres an opportunity if youre the right person. At some point or another, I think I whispered that she won. By the late 19th century, the Industrial Revolution had made working life miserable for people around the world. Developed by Armando Iannucci, it is a long-awaited (five years!) Selina wasnt a robot. I've always assumed he was talking about finding her trash and whatever horrifying thing that was in it. Thats the outcome of living a life like she did. "And you are a lifesaver, I couldn't have done it without you," she returned, surprising him with a hug. And I think this is the problem, it started many years ago, which is that people are looking down on elitism and education. What you realize in the grand scheme of things is that theres very little she has genuinely cared about. 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