If you've already had a kid, you can be sterilized. That the licking is changing the baby's DNA? PAT: Barbara has this drawer in her desk. JAD: So its like grandpa's struggle is jumping forward and giving me a leg up? I agree with Lynn, that this program does perpetuate a stereotype. More what kind of stuff? They have found very similar effects for smoking, for instance. I just saw them as child abusers. I'm almost done. Who are you? Radiolab 50.3K subscribers Subscribe 29 1.5K views 6 months ago On this episode, the case that pushed one Supreme Court justice to a nervous breakdown, brought a boiling feud to a head, and. Peanut butter, there we go. CARL ZIMMER: He actually named his daughter Lacerta, which is a genus of lizard. Here, Kammerer's was saying, "You can do this even on a physical level.". And um PAT: Doctors would later explain to Barbara that Destiny's mom had been addicted to drugs while she was pregnant. I wonder how much you believe in it. JAD: We ended up talking to the guy who did the work. PAT: In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. ROBERT: So, of course the folks at the Vivarium asked him. Because while you might have a lot of influence, you know, genetically speaking, over your kids and their kids, you don't seem to have a lot of control. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Do you see the owl?]. That's what I remember her saying. Knock it right off the DNA. Barbara Harris's solution is simpler than anything else out there. Listen Jan 20, 2023 Assuming that you can survive the ordeal, and you grow up, and you have kids of your own, the data seems to say that your kids will benefit from your suffering. They lived longer lives, something like 30 years on average. Well, lets not get too excited too fast because we have a story to tell and this tale leaves me a little queasy. Destiny has, what, three brothers and sisters that also were raised with her? Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. Because the truth is, you have no idea how these kids are going to turn out. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. If you have a starving daddy, it turns out that the baby actually gets some sort of health benefit. LULU: So far. Yeah, thats it. In pictures, he has that, you know, that crazy Einstein fuzzy hair thing. PAT: You picked him up right from the hospital? Test the outer edges of what you think you know. I mean, he hates water. And she's a complete nut. JAD: Yeah, like you can help them overcome you. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: I feel that they should all be sterilized. They won't grow much on the outside, but on the inside That is the time where the sperms are developing. Anyways, God bless you. I wont say too much more except it includes one of my favorite kind of scientific parables that like Ive ever heard. Maybe you can explain this to me, Robert. I had everybody's abuse on my back and I didn't care how we said it, or how we did it. And I didn't find a single case of someone saying that they regretted what they've done. He thought that you could kind of engineer societies by changing the environment. His big idea, as you might know, is that what a person does in their lifetime could be directly passed to their kids. The kingdom archive. Here's what Olov says he found in the data. I should add too. Not only that. Inheritance | Radiolab Podcast 4,710 views Apr 8, 2022 Radiolab 43.8K subscribers From the Radiolab podcast: How your grandfather's diet can affect your lifespan, heart health and even. CARL ZIMMER: Enhancing public understanding of science and technology CHARLOTTE ZIMMER: in the modern world. She's 22 now and she's never even met her birth mom. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Whats this letter right here? JAD: But according to Kammerer, here's what happened when he heated up the toads little cage. I mean, youre just youre saying a lot of things that are really impressive. The cheapest estimate is the work that needs to be done in 14 days. Lynn has become one of Barbara's fiercest critics. Like Id be like, Weve got the keys, were gonna trash the house., LATIF: Anyway, we think about that all the time and I was just talking to Lulu about that and she was just like, You know, theres a radiolab about this.. Wait, when you say they can choose to be sterilized, you mean permanent? I mean, for one thing, Barbara's white and Destiny's black. I had a little basketball for her. You know, just take a little peek for themselves, and every time Kammerer said no, they were his specimens. She was thinking BARBARA HARRIS: "Everybody's motivated by money., BARBARA HARRIS: Can I offer these women money to use birth control? My name is Jean Kean. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Whats that called?]. Like. And to believe anything else, that's naive. PAT: Like shed give the women a choice. More what kind of stuff? You know, you've got all these chemicals around. Yes, but creating an assumption that there is a class of people who don't deserve to procreate, who aren't worthy of procreating the human race, leads you down a path that we should have great concern about. ROBERT: So then the one that's in trouble, so thats one of one of eight? The results make it probable that our descendants will learn more quickly what we know well, will execute more easily what we have accomplished with great effort, will be able to withstand what injured us almost to the point of death. I wonder how much you believe in it. Truth is, we dont know precisely how this happens but somehow the experience of starvation marks the DNA. And when I found out the bill didn't pass, I just thought, "I have to come up with something else. Most toads, he says, love to stay in the water. Taylor Swift's Never Getting Back Together. LYNN PALTROW: Well, her explanation is that these women are having, in her terms, litters of damaged babies and society forever will be responsible for them. We neuter them.". We talked to her for a little while and At a certain point the social worker pulls out a stack of papers. Kalia came too. There's going to be this massacre of toads and only a few lucky ones are going to survive. By all accounts a pretty good-looking guy. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: How bout this one?]. Then World War One came and that disrupted everything. According to Frances, it's not just sitting up there perfectly preserved, it's in the middle of the cell, it's crowded. We had an expression here, "Dig where you stand." CARL ZIMMER: The right hand had been cut off for microscopic slides. On the one hand, she says, immediately, cheques started arriving. And I know fate is gonna give them a couple random mutations in those genes. I guess retard. The women who I've worked with, who've had a history of drug problems, aren't like the examples that she gives. Lots of money. JAD: That is impossible, so far as we know, but there seems to be this layer on top of the genes. Where we began, they will accomplish. We need to oblige the constraints of WNYC copyright arrangements and apologise for any inconveniences caused. We neuter them.". [expletive] That was awesome. In any case, these books tell you when each of these folks died, how they died. But here's what I did not know about DNA. ROBERT: Do you know anything about the other four? ROBERT: He was a born nurturer and he adored animals. ROBERT: One-fourth? Maybe like those methyl things we were telling you about with the rats. SAM KEAN: Well, he thought it might have been an assistant trying to frame him because he was Jewish. This is from 2002. OLOV BYGREN: A lot of diagnoses actually. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Barbara Harris says she's convinced more than a dozen women], [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Have accepted her offer to be sterilized in return for money.]. Okay, you want to say bye? They willed the neck to get longer, the muscles to get bigger. You got to kick it back. Its something I still think about all the time. If you were a boy in verkalix between the ages of 9 and 12 years old, that's the window, 9 to 12, you're a boy, and then we have one of those terribly rough winters, and you're eating much less than normal. "I want to thank you for your support and kindness as always." Because we had already had to upgrade from a car to a van, from a condo to a home. They didn't have grains. PAT: And according to Barbara, the majority of the women she pays are white. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You have to look at one cage, say, are they licking? SAM KEAN: The sperm carries these marks to the next generation. Covid has disrupted the most basic routines of our days and nights. I wouldn't want to put it up to chance, because what kind of life is that? With a child, they give you a whole folder full of information, tells you all about them. Around 1908, he started publishing all of these results. When Emil gets to be eight, I'm cutting him off. ROBERT: And there were from the beginning. JAD: Now, according to Carl, your genes are still fixed. PAT: Barbara started finding herself on panels with women who'd use drugs during their pregnancies. ROBERT: That's interesting. And I knew that the only way I was going to get a daughter was if I went and became a foster parent and asked for one. Or is it? She and I snuck away from the children into her office. More of this particular protein. But in the middle of a conversation about how to fight the virus, we find a place impervious to the stalled plans and frenetic demands of the outside world. JAD: Now the Sweden story from our last segment left us both feeling a little strange. Its gonna get messy. A really good radiolab about this called Inheritance. PEJK MALINOVSKI: Here we have how much they harvested. Maybe more. JAD: Not only that. By Recode Staff Updated Oct 25, 2017, 12:01am. I know! His famous example was giraffes. Can you say oh my goodness? Okay, so lets get going and stick with your boy, Lamarck, just for a sec. ROBERT: And they didn't have these on land? FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You would be licking them quite a lot. We inherited this beloved show that we first fell in love with as listeners. So much can happen after that. Knock it right off the DNA. Everybody we talked to seems to think there's something really interesting going on here. JAD: I got to say this is spooky. All these chemicals racing by crashing into it, sticking, and one of the bits that gets covered up is that little bit that makes the proteins that create a maternal instinct. ROBERT: Telling some genes to turn off now, other genes to turn on. JAD: Michael and Frances looked inside the brains of these rats and what they saw was that the rats who had been licked a lot as babies, they had more stuff in their head. He said, "If you were a boy, and you starve between the ages of 9 and 12, and then you went on to become a father, then a grandfather, your grandkids". All jokes aside. PEJK MALINOVSKI: Okay, I'm here. PAT: And that number, by the way, has grown a lot. I wonder. Like shed give the women a choice. ROBERT: And those lucky ones, according to Darwin's theory, they would have had to have been born with some random mutation in their genes SAM KEAN: That gave them an advantage in this situation. But according to Kammerer, shortly after these toads got into the water, they did begin to evolve fast. JAD: Yes. Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. Were just talking about toad, I thought. If your grandpa didn't starve, instead he lived through great times. So imagine the DNA in that brain cell. She's somewhere, but it's not good from what we've heard. JAD: Wait, when you say they can choose to be sterilized, you mean permanent? You know, like if you're abused as a kid, you were more likely to abuse your kid, but still, you got to wonder. Life is hard.". Yeah, the social worker called and told me the mother had given birth. ROBERT: And then the next one after that. BARBARA HARRIS: It was just no baby should have to come into the world like that. I asked Barbara about some of the things that she'd said because, to be totally honest, they kind of turn my stomach. He's the guy who told us about Olov's work. Well, this is it! People can't just will themselves into a more perfect form. JAD: In any case, these books tell you when each of these folks died, how they died. [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: You don't think that they should have their children back?]. Just don't have any more children because, at that point, I didn't really know any of them. She said, "Well, she's just beautiful and she has lips like a baby doll." PAT: But were getting ahead of ourselves here. Were told. JAD: So imagine the DNA in that brain cell. Could you just tell us what you are doing now? JAD: So, in the end, where do you come down on this? But a few of us make a habit of it. DESTINY HARRIS: That's my little girl. He thought that you could kind of engineer societies by changing the environment. ROBERT: Because there is more data, more information about the people of verkalix, going farther back into the past than you can find almost anywhere else on Earth. I think I was really horrified and terrified. JAD: Well, its offensive. He thought that because theyre swinging hammers all day, they got big bulky muscles, and then theyd pass the muscles to their children. I said, "This will be the last one. But, I said this to Lynn, "Despite all the things that trouble me about Barbara's program, I feel like what she's trying to do is to stop a kid from getting born into a childhood that's going to suck.". CARL ZIMMER: But but theres like some hope here because JAD: Okay, all right, this is interesting. When you first hear about this, what goes through your mind? On the one hand, she says, immediately, cheques started arriving. But I take it that we have more control over our destinies and our kids' destinies than we would've thought. I just didn't think. And you have to bear in mind that at this point, it only had one hand left. Stick around. It's a small forest area, very beautiful. One-fourth? Well, her explanation is that these women are having, in her terms, litters of damaged babies and society forever will be responsible for them. You know, inside these cells, in the center, coiled up in little spools, is the DNA. Twitter: @wnycradiolab Language: English Contact: WNYC Radio 160 Varick St. New York, NY 10013 (646) 829-4000 Website: http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/ Email: radiolab@wnyc.org Episodes Golden Goose 2/17/2023 More FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Methyl groups are pretty sticky, they're hard to get off. Assuming that you can survive the ordeal, and you grow up, and you have kids of your own, the data seems to say that your kids will benefit from your suffering. Turning down a job that they'd offered him. JAD: If the genes are the bottom floor, then this layer on top is sometimes called the epigenome and that thing can change based on your experiences. My mom needed a girl and, boop! PAT: That's really impressive. Radiolab - Transcripts Subscribe 187 episodes Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. BARBARA HARRIS: "I want to thank you for your support and kindness as always." PAT: If Barbara had gotten to Destiny's birth mom, Destiny, Kalia, this moment, none of it would exist. So then the one that's in trouble, so thats one of, So I guess you could say to yourself, "Seven out of eight of these kids did all right?". I went to the hospital and picked him up. You're not leaving this hospital unless you have long-term birth control.". JAD: Michael was in school and he got interested in a very, very basic question about how things get passed down? JAD: Actually, the idea itself is pretty old. Well, he thought it might have been an assistant trying to frame him because he was Jewish. Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. A lot of times that's not the case. So here's what you're going to notice. And she says, one day, this idea just came to her. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: She's offering $200. Michael was in school and he got interested in a very, very basic question about how things get passed down? JAD: And at first, it didn't go so well because, you know, if you're a land toad and you're trying to have sex in the water, it's kind of hard. I mean, the idea that they could be constrained by their DNA, that maybe one of us gave them a bit of DNA thats gonna hold them back? You have to do that for five hours a day for six consecutive days. And, I mean, I have straight A's and I'm making it work. Yep, Im a professor in the faculty of medicine at McGill University in Montreal. All these women who have so many babies and never try to seek drug treatment. This great. In pictures, he has that, you know, that crazy Einstein fuzzy hair thing. Thank you so much for your interest in Radiolab. LATIF: Still, still standing. Destiny says one day, she and her mom were in the car, and her mom said She said, "I don't know, you know, maybe they'll grow bigger? And there were from the beginning. by Nolan Moore. But if you've got a mom who licks you. We talked to her for a little while and PAT: At a certain point the social worker pulls out a stack of papers. ", BARBARA HARRIS: And I called my husband again at work and said, "They want to know if we want to take the baby." PEJK MALINOVSKI: It says "registrera", register. He's not even eating at all. When you explore what makes people tick or how the universe . CARL ZIMMER: He was born in 1880 in Vienna, Jewish family. He actually named his daughter Lacerta, which is a genus of lizard. Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. What does that mean, he was an idiot? You got your good parents and your bad parents. I tell you what I'm going to do though. But according to Kammerer, here's what happened when he heated up the toads little cage. We'll just be honest. Just a little. This whole toad thing, to the Darwinian faction, it didn't scan really. Telling some genes to turn off now, other genes to turn on. JAD: It makes a kind of common sense, really. You know? BARBARA HARRIS: A couple of days later, I had already bonded with her so much, it was as if I gave birth to her. PAT: Right away, people accused her of targeting women at their weakest moment and enabling their drug abuse. All rights reserved. SAM KEAN: This is what's called the slow growth period. ROBERT: But, this hour were gonna fight this sort of sad sack feeling of inevitability and impotence. When Kammerer published his results initially, a bunch of scientists immediately began to say CARL ZIMMER: "Wait a minute, hold on here, it would be nice if life was like that but life isn't like that. PAT: She just knew, "This is my daughter.". All rights reserved. Move on to the next cage, yes, no? You're obviously a great mom, but that feels cold to me. [2] The team that creates each episode, including hosts Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich, are master storytellers. It's just a mind crushing tedium. They wanted to see basically the effects of starvation on multiple generations. 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